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Thursday, October 10, 2024

Ivy League Posture Photos - Part 38

Ivy League Posture Photos

Yale started taking nude photos of incoming freshmen in 1919 as part of a program to detect and correct posture problems.  The Yale photos have erroneously been associated with William Sheldon, a psychologist at Harvard and author of Nazi-like eugenic theories who used Harvard nude posture photos to illustrate his theory of somatypes.  The Yale program predates Sheldon, and, as far as I can tell, the Yale photos were never connected to Sheldon's work.

Here are posture photos of ten more Yale students that I had the opportunity to acquire.  For privacy reasons, I redact the names of men who might still be alive.  Five of these men have passed away, so their names are not redacted.

This is Yale freshman John Michael Roche on Oct. 9, 1953.

In 1952, Yale installed an apparatus using mirrors to photograph the front, rear, side and top view.  Prior to that, the posture photo was just a side view.

This is Yale freshman P.R. on Oct. 8, 1953.

Note the strange pins stuck to each student's back and chest.  The pins were stuck on at specific points for later posture analysis.

This is Yale freshman D.R. on Oct. 7, 1953.

Supposedly, by examining the angles formed by connecting the points where the pins touched the body, certain posture problems could be detected.

This is Yale freshman R.S. on Oct. 8, 1953.

If posture problems were detected, the student had to attend remedial posture sessions, and a second posture photo was taken.

This is Yale freshman P.L. on Oct. 7, 1953.

The photography and analysis of the photos was conducted by the staff of Yale's Payne Whitney Gymnasium.  Nobody outside this staff saw the photos, and the photos were not published for other students to see.

This is Yale freshman John Arthur Neumark on Oct. 9, 1953.

The posture photo program was discontinued in the 1960s, and later, most of the photos were burned.  However, some of the photos escaped burning, including the photos that I have been showing in this series.

This is Yale freshman A.N. on Oct. 9, 1953.

This is Yale freshman William T. Myers, Jr. on Oct. 16, 1953.

This is Yale freshman Richard K. Myler on Oct. 16, 1953.

Finally, we have two photos of Yale freshman Theodore David Gilbert, taken on July 15, 1942 and on Nov. 30, 1942.  These photos show only a profile view because they were taken before the 4-way view equipment was installed in 1952.

Why two photos?  Presumably the analysis of the first photo indicated some posture problems, and Gilbert had to attend remedial posture sessions, after which the second photo was taken.  It's rare to have both the first and second posture photos for a student.

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Note: some of my followers have questioned the propriety of publishing these photos.  If you think I should not publish them, please don't comment to that effect.  Too much time and space has been taken up on the subject.  We can agree to disagree.  If you don't like it, go to some other blog.  Here is my position:

1. Were these photos an invasion of privacy for the students?  By today's standards, yes.  By the standards of the day, not so much.  In that era, guys were routinely naked around each other in locker rooms and in swimming pools when women weren't present.  Being asked to strip and even being photographed naked as part of a posture examination would not seem too outrageous.

2. To protect the privacy of the students, I redact the names of students who may still be alive.  I only publish the names of students who have died.  Legally, the right to privacy does not extend beyond death, i.e. it does not extend to spouses, children, grandchildren, etc. of the deceased person.

3. In my opinion, publishing these photos is similar to publishing nude photos of athletes and soldiers taken by LIFE magazine photographers.  At the time, the understanding of the photo subjects was that photos with frontal nudity would not be published in the magazine (and they never were), but the LIFE photo archive containing those photos is now publicly available online, and nobody seems to be complaining about it.

4. I consider these photos to be a historical record of the time.  Almost all of the Ivy League posture photos were burned when their existence became widely known.  In my opinion, that was akin to book-burning of books that someone claimed were obscene.  These photos are not obscene.  They should be celebrated, not hidden away.

11 comments:

Anonymous said...

I always look forward to seeing Yale men in all their glory. John Michael Roche looks quite the athlete. Question: did these students ever get to actually see their nude photos? Or receive a copy to keep? I've also wondered how many students were photographed at any one time. The larger the group, the more impressive it must have been, all those penises on complete display.

Gerald said...

I suspect that the students kept something on until the time they actually were photographed. I'm still envious of the photographer getting to see all those penises!

SickoRicko said...

I always like their butts.

Anonymous said...

Inch worm follies !

Unashamed Male said...

@Anon - No, the students never saw their nude photos or received a copy. As I said in the text, nobody outside the gymnasium staff saw the photos.

Unashamed Male said...

@Gerald - I don't know for sure, but I suspect the students were told to get naked and line up to be photographed, not to keep something on until the last minute. Times were different, and it was not a big deal for students to see each other naked in the gym.

Anonymous said...

On Gilbert TD, very interesting to see the dates on images ancn the change betwene July and November. But I have to wonder how "natural" that November posture is. On the subjects not seeing their images, if they discover posture problem, wouldn't they show the pic to the subject and explain what is wrong?

Anonymous said...

Interesting to learn that the students remained completely nude during the entire photo procedure, from beginning to end. No modesty towels for these guys. The numerous clothed assistants, as well as the photographers, certainly had a lot to look at during "Posture Photo Day."

jimboylan2 said...

Thank you for sharing Ted Gilbert's photos. His posture problem didn't keep him from serving as a sailor.
Through one of his sister's famous husbands, Ted is my 5th cousin, twice removed.
Links:
https://www.wikitree.com/wiki/Goldstein-1968
(It may take a day for the connection to be shown.)
https://www.familysearch.org/tree/person/details/GWCP-P19

jimboylan2 said...

He was Class of '45, so he was definitely a sophomore for his 2nd photo, and between classes for his summer photo.

Unashamed Male said...

@Jimboylan2 - During World War II, Yale classes were on an accelerated wartime footing. There was a class of 1945W (W for War) where the freshmen entered in July 1942 and graduated in 1945. I assume Theodore Gilbert was in this class.