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Monday, November 13, 2023

Ivy League Posture Photos - Part 23

Ivy League Posture Photos

Yale started taking nude photos of incoming freshmen in 1919 as part of a program to detect and correct posture problems.  The Yale photos have erroneously been associated with William Sheldon, a psychologist at Harvard and author of Nazi-like eugenic theories who used Harvard nude posture photos to illustrate his theory of somatypes.  But, as far as I can tell, the Yale photos are not connected to Sheldon's work.

Here are five more posture photos taken at Yale that I had the opportunity to acquire.  For privacy reasons, I redact the names of men who might still be alive.  Two of these men have not passed away, so their names are redacted.

This is Yale freshman George Perlstein on on Oct. 8, 1953.

An article in the Journal of the American Association for Health, Physical Education, and Recreation described how in spring, 1952, Yale installed an apparatus using mirrors to produce "PhotoMetric" posture photos like this showing front, rear, side and top views.

This is Yale freshman John Richard Plecas on Oct. 12, 1953.

Note the strange pins stuck to each student's back and chest.  The pins were stuck on at specific points for later posture analysis.  Supposedly, by examining the angles formed by connecting the points where the pins touched the body, certain posture problems could be detected.

This is Yale freshman A. P. on Oct. 9, 1953.

This is Yale freshman J. P. on Oct. 12, 1953.

This is Yale freshman Michael Poutiatine on Oct. 7, 1953.

Note: some of my followers have questioned the propriety of publishing these photos.  If you think I should not publish them, please don't comment to that effect.  Too much time and space has been taken up on the subject.  We can agree to disagree.  If you don't like it, go to some other blog.  Here is my position:

1. Were these photos an invasion of privacy for the students?  By today's standards, yes.  By the standards of the day, not so much.  In that era, guys were routinely naked around each other in locker rooms and in swimming pools when women weren't present.  Being asked to strip and even being photographed naked as part of a posture examination would not seem too outrageous.

2. To protect the privacy of the students, I redact the names of students who may still be alive.  I only publish the names of students who have died.  Legally, the right to privacy does not extend beyond death, i.e. it does not extend to spouses, children, grandchildren, etc. of the deceased person.

3. In my opinion, publishing these photos is similar to publishing nude photos of athletes and soldiers taken by LIFE magazine photographers.  At the time, the understanding of the photo subjects was that photos with frontal nudity would not be published in the magazine (and they never were), but the LIFE photo archive containing those photos is now publicly available online, and nobody seems to be complaining about it.

4. I consider these photos to be a historical record of the time.  Almost all of the Ivy League posture photos were burned when their existence became widely known.  In my opinion, that was akin to book-burning of books that someone claimed were obscene.  These photos are not obscene.  They should be celebrated, not hidden away.

13 comments:

Anonymous said...

Michael Poutiatine (photo #5) has an awesome body. I never tire at viewing these photos of nude 18-year olds. Very thankful that Yale required them to strip, supposedly for posture studies. The fact that they were fully nude and photographed from three different angles was definitely a plus for viewers today!

Joaquinitopez said...

No creo que hubiera violación de la privacidad en su momento a menos que fuera una exigencia de la tal universidad, ni aunque lo fuera, pues los estudiantes ya sabían de qué iba la actitud de la institución al entrar. Comentar esto a estas alturas de jóvenes de hace tanto tiempo me parece absurdo y quitarle naturalidad al desnudo.

JiEL said...

I was wondering how old are these guys?
As a French Canadian I have no clue of what Yale time could be.
Thanks.

Ike said...

@JiEl

College is right after high school. Depending on the birthdate of the person compared to the matriculation cutoff date and whether or not they started school late, this would be from 17-19 years, usually 18 years. Yale took in the smartest, so sometimes if you skipped a grade or two like my brothers did, you could be younger for some universities. (they went to other universites, not Yale) Other universities at the time had a strict age limit and would not allow this. So some of these people in these photos might have been underage.

Wanderlust said...

I always love these. A few observations: First, NP is the only one I’ve seen who appears to be of a different ethnicity. He looks Latino. Yes, I know Yale at the time was not exactly a paragon of diversity. Second, Michael! Big uncut dick. Also rare in these photos. Third, I scrolled through all your posts from this series (always pleasant) and found exactly one who has a hairy chest. I know they are freshmen, but I remember a lot of guys (including me) having hairy chests by that age.

Wanderlust said...

Oops, AP not NP.

Stardog12 said...

I wonder if any of them got an erection while taking these photos

Xersex said...

they're so different from the guys of Est Europe ...

JiEL said...

@Ike,
Thank you.
Here in Province of Québec, after graduating from high school, at around 17-18 yo, teens go to two years of college (CEGEP) and are more in specialised learnings.
Some are choosing the three years CEGEP to achieve a college degree in things like helping nurse, mechanic, or any work certificates.

The two years diploma will go to university at around 20-21 yo.
After they can have their «Bacc degree» after 4years.
Then comes the master degree etc... to the Doctorat last degree.

jimboylan2 said...

Michael Poutiatine is very well connected. By marriages, he's my 7th and 8th cousin, once or twice removed.
His mother's ancestors, the Bakers, come from old Puritan stock. By blood, Mary Morse Baker Glover Patterson Eddy is his 4th cousin, thrice removed. She was the 1st Christian Scientist, founder of the 1st Church of Christ, Scientist.
His father was an Imperial Russian Prince, and so his mother, though a commoner, became a Princess when she married him.
His father's 1st wife was the marrying kind, and like most nobles of the early 1900s, was well related to most of the rulers of the 1st World War combatants.
Links:
https://alumninet.yale.edu/classes/yc1957/obit.html#mpoutiatine
https://www.wikitree.com/wiki/Poutiatine-2
https://www.familysearch.org/tree/person/details/GG4Z-DZ6

Filipenis said...

Thank you so much for posting this. I love posture pictures. in this post, I like guy #4 and #5.

Hot Naked Men said...

I still dont get it, what's the purpose of this pics/photoshoots, to show ideal fit bodies or body anatomy or smn, and are these pics showed publicly, if that so, i'll be embarassed, but anyway, these young men just amazing to show their stuff, real unashamed men

Anonyme said...

I love posture pictures!